3 Wrong, Wrong,
(Investigator 142, 2012
Jesus was born on
25th of December.
He was born on
the 6th of January. The date was changed to accord with the Pagan
Messiah was the name
He was given the
Hebrew name Joshua, but known as Yeshua. This was translated into the
prophesied in the
Old Testament that a virgin shall give birth.
The Hebrew word
"Almah” was the designation for a young woman. This was mistranslated
to read "virgin”.
grew up in the Town
It has been
established that Nazareth did not exist at that time.
born in a
stable, surrounded by adoring farm animals.
Nowhere in the
Gospels is the word "stable” used. In Matthew, the Wise Men find Mary
and the baby in a house.
were three wise men.
The number was
never mentioned. There may have been more (and they were Pagan).
Christ was the only
saviour and messiah.
There were at
least twenty-three, beginning with the Egyptian godman Osiris more than
2,000 years earlier, and nearly all were born to a virgin mother on the
25th of December — the winter solstice.
and the cross
are exclusively Christian symbols.
They can be
traced back to the Egyptian sun-god cult of Aten.
Gospels were written
by scribes contemporary to the time of Jesus.
They were written
by unknown scribes at the Nicene council in far-away Turkey, where
Jesus Christ was proclaimed Son of God. The Pagan Emperor Constantine
Sabbath has always
been observed on Sunday.
The Sabbath was
traditionally observed on Saturday but was changed to accord with the
Pagan religion, the SUN-day.
(Investigator 143, 2012
142 Mr De Kretser lists ten "Biblical Bloomers". Most, however, are
dubious and require pruning:
25th is merely
the official birth day. If my evidence for the "Star of Bethlehem” is
correct (See #81) then the "wise men” reached Bethlehem in June but
this was at least 40 days after Jesus' birth.
Messiah's name was
Joshua not Jesus?
Hebrew and "Jesus" from Greek. Different languages pronounce names
differently but this is not something to make a fuss about.
prophecy means "young woman" not "virgin"?
can mean either
depending on context. (See #92) The Septuagint's use of the word
"virgin", despite everyone knowing that virgins don't give birth, shows
that the translators recognized, two centuries before Jesus came, that
the prophecy referred to someone special i.e. the Messiah.
claim that Nazareth
didn't exist in the 1st century is atheistic fiction. Part of Nazareth
was archaeologically excavated in 2009. (See #131)
not born in a
says there were no
spare rooms at the inn in Bethlehem and uses the word "manger" (2:7-16)
which referred to a trough animals eat from. Therefore many conclude
that a stable is implied. The arrival of the "wise men" occurred at
least 40 days later when Mary and Joseph were in a "house". (Matthew 2)
Kretser is here
correct and scores one point since "The number is never mentioned."
Three is merely inferred from the three types of gifts — gold,
there at least 23
saviours besides Jesus?
anyone who defeated military attacks on Israel was a "deliverer" or
"saviour" and included various judges, David and others. These were
"saviours" in a different sense to Jesus. If any pagan cults called
their idols or gods "saviours" then these too were saviours in a
halo and cross,
Kretser is correct
that other religions also used these symbols.
in the time of Constantine?
fragments of New Testament manuscripts from the 2nd century still
exist, and the Jewish Talmud of the 2nd century refers (albeit
critically) to Christians and their beliefs. (See #140 page 47ff; #77;
Saturday to Sunday to accord with Pagan religion?
Jewish Sabbath was
from nightfall Friday to nightfall Saturday. Christians switched to
Sunday, not to please Pagans but to honor Christ's resurrection: "Some
judge one day to be better than another, while others judge all days to
be alike… Those who observe the day, observe it in honor of the Lord."
(Romans 14:5-6; Colossians 2:16)
Kretser has scored two
out of ten. He would do better if he consulted reliable sources.
Wrong Wrong Wrong
I refer to Brian
de Kretser's article on Biblical Bloomers in Investigator
#142. I don't normally comment on Brian's articles, as I thought that
his approach and content are bizarre. However, in the same issue, John
Williams included Brian in the "collectively superior" class, so this
is why I am writing.
provided a list of
10 supposed Biblical bloomers. Virtually none of them are. They are
supposed errors in what some people have said about the Bible, not
errors in the Bible itself. This includes celebrating Christmas on the
25th of December and the number of wise men. The Bible does not mention
Jesus' date of birth and so it is unknown; I don't know where Brian got
the 6th January from. The church did indeed displace a pagan festival
to celebrate Christmas but never claimed that this was his actual
birthday. Brian is correct in saying that the number of wise men is not
mentioned; it is simply inferred from the number of gifts. These
traditions have been added and so are not Biblical bloomers.
claim that really is
absolutely bizarre is his claim that the gospels were written by
unknown scribes at the Nicene council. However, it is the universal
opinion of Biblical and historical scholars that the gospels were
completed in the latter half of the first century, well over 200 years
before the Council of Nicaea. Some claim that the gospel of John was
written as late as 110 AD; but this is a minority view.
the reasons that
scholars agree that the gospels were written in the 1st century are as
- We have
fragments that date from the 2nd century. For example, the Rylands P52
fragment is generally agreed to date from the reign of the Roman
Emperor Hadrian (117 to 135 AD). This contains an extract from the
gospel of John, which is generally agreed to be the last of the gospels
to be written. In about 170 AD Tatian wrote the Diatessaron. This is a
harmonisation of the four gospels (and contains most of their content)
and reflects that all four gospels were widely circulated and accepted
in the churches well before that date. Similarly Justin Martyr was
writing at the same time and quotes extensively from the gospels. At
the same time Irenaeus claims that there are only 4 gospels and he
lists the 4 that we know.
- The council
was held in 325 AD and Constantine did indeed officiate. The issues
that were discussed at the Council of Nicaea were the dating of Easter
and the Arian controversy about the humanity and divinity of Christ.
Prior to this time there had been several lists of books/letters that
were to be used within churches. Origen was using the current New
Testament in the early 200s. However, the New Testament canon in its
current form was first formally agreed at the Synod of Hippo Regius in
393 AD. At the Nicene council, the New Testament canon was not on that
agenda and the notion that the gospels were written there is ridiculous.
style of writing is to list a set of sceptical propositions, which he
rarely justifies. He continuously throws mud at Christianity and hopes
that some of it sticks. In the past I have shown that many of his
claims are completely wrong. He simply ignores my comments and throws
another lot of mud.
past Brian has
undersigned his name with "Institute for Research into Religions",
which I believe he uses to enhance his credibility. This institution
has no web site and is not listed in the yellow pages. It is more
likely that Nazareth existed in the time of Jesus than that the
Institute for Research into Religions exists now. However, Brian is
indeed the Northern Territory point of contact for the Australian