writers disagree on whether the Bible teaches barbarity:
"Barbarity" is Unbiblical
Van Robison (age70)
(Investigator 151, 2013
I happened upon
website when I keyed in the words "biblical barbarity" as a search.
is full of bible defenders and likewise bible critics. After
a lifetime of reading the bible from cover to cover, and as an
ex-church goer, I have come to conclude that the bible is a stumbling
block, source of mass confusion, doubt and obvious blunders, while at
the same time having some measure of truth. I have always believed in
Jesus Christ, but still have questions that never seem to have valid
surely makes no sense
that Jesus could come teaching "love your neighbor as you love
yourself", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you",
"blessed are the merciful", "blessed are the peacemakers", "blessed are
the meek", "love your enemies", "turn the other cheek" and "follow Me"
and at the same time believe that Jesus Christ was God of the Old
Testament in at least all those parts that attribute mass-murder,
genocide and horrors to God, that defy all conscience, or in the
fictional book of "Revelation."
for the Bible
state that because God is sovereign He passes judgment on the "wicked"
(even "Christians" have human nature) and so He destroys as He
pleases. Of course that makes no sense, because if Jesus Christ
is indeed the same yesterday, today and forever, then His teachings
about LOVE, COMPASSION, MERCY, EMPATHY and HUMILITY prove that the
violence attributed to God cannot be true. Either God lives by the same
standard that He teaches through Jesus Christ, or He is a very poor
role-model to human beings.
frequently relish judgment and punishment on others who do not have
their views. What parent would sacrifice their own life (as in shedding
their blood) for their own children to have their sins forgiven and to
have a personal relationship with them? Of course it makes no sense and
such is not the way life works. But we are led to believe that the
sacrifice of Jesus was "necessary" in order for humans to encounter God
the Father, without which there could be no relationship. Well, maybe
so, but what if the only time God ever made an appearance to human
beings was in the manner of the person of Jesus Christ, and He came to
teach men to stop the wars, the killings and the cruelty and the
man-made religion and love one another?
being alive on
earth today has ever had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ, in the
form of a personal visitation, in person and been taught by Jesus what
truth really is. It then becomes obvious that what we all believe about
God/Jesus Christ is totally based upon ink on paper and hearsay. It is
based upon faith and nothing more. It is not based upon a personal
eyewitness encounter with God in the lives of living human beings.
God Himself speaks
to each person individually and in person, the expectation that all men
should automatically believe ink on paper represents the truth about
God is really far-fetched. Lying scribes can make any kind of claim
they wish, by saying words like "thus saith the Lord" or "God
commanded" or "God anointed" or "all scripture is given by inspiration
of God", but such words in fact do not prove that God the Creator of
the universe is the author and source.
problem with the
Bible is that we read that Jesus made references to
Testament characters such as Lot, Noah, Abraham, Moses and others and
gives cause to think the O.T. is true.
still leaves us in a quandary because much of the Old Testament
is an ocean of bloodshed and defiance of the teachings of Jesus. I
would suggest that the "holy" books of the three major religions of the
world, are the cause of massive human problems, divisions and never
ending quarrels over what is and what is not truth.
probably a major reason why many turn to atheism.
punished for their parents' crimes?
"BARBARITY" IS UNBIBLICAL
Reply to Van Robison
(Investigator 153, 2013
has a program in
which children who attend school get a free meal every day. At one
school 23 children died in 2013 from poisoning with the school
principal accused of doing it. On a television report I viewed, parents
of the deceased children declared that the principal's children should
be killed as part of her punishment.
reasoning — that
children of perpetrators should be punished along with the parents —
has been common throughout history, including the 20th century. The
organized famines and other mass killings by Nazis and Communists
included children. The Nazis also had their "Sippenhaft" principle by
which families of deserters and so-called traitors could be sent to
for billions of
children is that the Bible teaches a better notion of justice and
modern legal systems have accepted it:
not suffer for the iniquity of a parent; the righteousness of the
righteous shall be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be
his own." (Ezekiel 18)
recognized the right of the child to his own life centuries before such
a right was recognized by the rulers of the Roman Empire, where
infanticide was not made a capital crime until the sixth century of our
era, largely owing to the consistent pressure of Christians… It was
this Hebrew view of the sanctity of human life, passing through the
medium of Christianity into the Roman world that finally destroyed the
monstrous evil of infanticide."
The Bible book of
foretold that God would bless "all the nations of the earth" through
the offspring of Abraham. (Genesis 18:18)
happiness from prosperity, fair laws, health, long life, peace and
security. The most important offspring of Abraham and most important
contributor to bringing "blessing" is Jesus. (Acts 3:25-26)
on the Bible ended or reduced slaughter in Roman amphitheatres, sacred
prostitution (where girls did stints as prostitutes in temples as part
of growing up), child prostitution, homosexual prostitution, slavery,
human sacrifice, mutilating of children for careers as beggars,
widow-burning, trial by torture, killing of the sick, racism, etc.
input was vital
in the origin of universities (Haskins 1957), modern science (Hooykaas
1972), modern medicine, and many social benefits including pensions for
the aged. "Blessing" is also when thousands of charities teach, heal
and meet human needs; when individuals live Christian lives; and when
organized effort changes evil laws and hurtful social structures.
19 reports that
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire and "burning stone" from the
sky. II Peter 2:6 states this is "an example of what is coming…" but
Genesis 11:6 states that for humans "nothing will be impossible". The
implication is that humans can even stop the end of the world — and
today nations are spending $billions on "spacewatch" schemes to do just
began 4000 years
ago with the announcement of a program to "bring blessing to all the
nations of the earth". In the longer run "blessing" includes salvation,
eternal life, and human rule of Space and time.
soldier is Sir John Monash (1865-1936). When successive German
offensives in 1918 almost overwhelmed the Western Front, Australian
divisions commanded by Monash were in the thick of it: "The A.I.F. was
indeed given pride of place in shoring up the dangerous gap on the
Somme; at several places it blunted German attacks and counter-attacked
brilliantly and its presence rallied the British on their flanks."
(Geoffrey Searle 1982, p. 316)
Jews who migrated from Prussia to Australia in 1864. Monash, therefore,
read the Bible and by 1886 his view was:
depicted in the Bible was ‘no more than a terrible being in human
shape, and activated by purely human feelings, and guilty of the
meanest of motives, revengeful, deceitful, cunning and cruel, and
sanctioning every crime under the sun.' (Searle1982, p. 56)
offensives in 1918 and ending the War in November meant 2 million
German casualties including 1 million horribly injured and 500,000
killed. Truly an "ocean of bloodshed"!
ignore the context and the oppression that German victory would
have entailed we can accuse Monash himself and the Western governments
of "the meanest of motives, revengeful, deceitful, cunning and cruel,
and sanctioning every crime".
that's the case when
denigrating God and the Old Testament — the accusers ignore the context
AND the long-range program to benefit all humankind.
included empire-building nations and vicious tribes who thought nothing
of child sacrifice, buggery and mutilation of captives, torture,
kidnapping for slavery, and other horrors most people today don't want.
Life in today's poorest nations such as Somalia beats conditions in the
richest ancient nations.
Israel and Canaanites the latter were in part "judged as they judge"
and in part shown mercy. Israel's survival, rather than Canaanite
survival, was vital for the world. (See the Canaanite Apocalypse debate
barbarity is a
myth, since what applies and what the Bible teaches God wants, are
standards such as:
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another…"
that the Bible is "hearsay" by "lying scribes" is objectively answered
by "testing what is testable" which I've done for decades. Hundreds of
Bible points are confirmed by modern discoveries, tests and
observations. Much of this is on the Investigator website.
"Always seek to do good to one another and to all…"
"Love your neighbour as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbour."
Castle, E.B. 1961 Ancient
Education And Today, Penguin Books, pp 168 - 169
Haskins, C.H. 1957 The
Rise of Universities, Cornell University
Hooykaas, R. 1972 Religion
And The Rise Of Modern Science, Eerdmans
Searle, G. 1982 John
Monash A Biography, Melbourne University Press.