LETTERS TO A JW
Gwyn Watkins
Gwyn Watkins has corresponded with a Jehovah’s Witness for seven years. (#117 page 5) Part of one letter follows:
(Investigator 118, 2008 January)
To
disprove evolution all that is needed is to find just ONE 'out of
place' fossil such as an angiosperm in the pre Cambrian, a mammal in
the Devonian or a member of the Ape family in the Cretaceous era. I'm
99.99% certain you will not find one.
As
a matter of interest the minister at the SDA lectures I attended a
couple of months ago tried to prove that fossilised latter day species
are to be found in earlier age rock strata. He cited the case of
Polystrate Tree Fossils that intersect several layers (beds) of
sedimentary rocks. There is a simple geological explanation for these
fossils and I'll be writing in more detail on this in a future Topic on
Evolution.
We
also could not agree on the age of the universe. You stated that
although mankind was created by God 6000 odd years ago, the Universe
itself could have been formed countless years earlier. I thought we had
discussed this earlier this year and I think I demonstrated
convincingly in my letter of 10th February 07 that Genesis describes
how the universe was created in seven days only.
You
did not reply to my letter so I assumed you did not reject my
explanation. Below is an extract from the letter to which I referred:
One Day of Genesis
In
support of your assertion that the one day in the seven days God
created the world represents a thousand(s) of year(s) you quoted Psalm
90:4 — For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it
is past, or as a watch in the night. (K. J.)
I’m
surprised you have accepted such a piece as "proof" of evidence. It's
another example of how various religious organisations interpret Bible
passages to conform to their own preconceived and often bigoted
beliefs, irrespective of the true message that the original writer
intended when he wrote it.
Surely,
to any unbiased reader, the Psalm's meaning is clear and unambiguous —
while God is permanent and time is eternity, a thousand years or more
to him is just like a day as we experience it; gone in a flash!
The
above is true of your other "proof" — 2 Peter 3:8, — with the Lord one
day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (K.J.)
Again the writer is emphasising the eternity of God and the frailty of
man.
To
accept your interpretation implies that any word in the Bible can be
regarded as an analogy. The word day in my Concordance appears 175
times and the only ones (Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8) you can bring up
as support are in fact analogies. If we accept these two analogies how
can we be certain that other Bible text words are not to be taken on
face value as they may be analogies as well?
All
other days mentioned in the Bible are clear enough as 24 hour periods
and nowhere is there an unambiguous indication that the days of Genesis
are nothing more than days of 24 hours duration. Genesis 1:14 makes it
abundantly clear that a day is a day of 24 hours(!) and to have to
separate one day from the next day by a period of a 1000 years is utter
nonsense. Yet you are prepared to believe that God in all his wisdom
sometimes stipulates a day in Genesis to be 24 hours but in just two
other verses for it to indicate a thousand years or more!
My
contention is that the conventional view of the Bible's use of the word
day is the correct one and not that of the Fundamentalists whimsical
one. This claim is reinforced when we see how the word year(s) is used
throughout the Bible. Year(s) appears 40 times and in every instance
it's applied to indicate a year as we know it. It seems ridiculous
therefore to expect God to use a day nearly all the time in Genesis as
24 hours but in the same chapter he decides arbitrarily for Gen: 1
& 2 to employ the word 'day' as meaning a thousand years. Perhaps
I'm wrong in this and he actually intended us to understand that a
'day' in Genesis was consistently a millennium or more.
Thus,
for example, when God set down the rain for forty days and forty nights
during the Flood, (Gen. 7:4), what he really meant was forty thousand
years and not the normal day of 24 hours. Better still are the real
crackers of Gen. 7:24 and Gen. 8:3 where we'll find the flood waters
prevailed upon the earth for a hundred and fifty thousand years! Come
on, John, you can do better than that.
Again
what about Gen. 1:17 19? 1 never realised that when I go to bed around
10.30pm each night, my night's sleep will be around half of a 1000-year
day. Thus, 500 years will have elapsed when I wake up in the morning
unless, of course I need to relieve myself in the toilet at 250 years,
after which I go back to bed and sleep away until morning arrives 250
years later. It seems, John, as if your organisation eats the cake and
has it too!
You
also brought up the old chestnut of not being able to name or give
details of any human event before the year 4,000 years B.C. and I'm
surprised you haven't twigged on this one yet. May I ask you to give
details of written events recorded by any of the countless tribes in
the world who had not been exposed, up to couple of centuries ago, to
our so called "civilization"? Fiji would be one such country but Lapita
pottery estimated at over 2,500 years old has been discovered there.
Also, "primitive" (in our view) tribes are existent in parts of New
Guinea and Africa that even today have no written records of their past
history. Doesn't that give you an insight why no writing existed in pre
historical times? Why the term "pre historic"? History begins with
writing.